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le prime vaccinazioni sono avvenute negli USA quindi non vedo perché l'epidemia sarebbe scoppiata in Africa e poi trasferita in America.

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Exactly how, when and where the first human(s) became infected with the progenitor of HIV-1 group M, which gave rise to the pandemic strain, is likely, however, to remain a matter of conjecture.

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Quindi in sostanza citi un articolo che smentisce la teoria del vaccino, uno che cita un meeting di esperti che dicono che non ha basi e uno che non dà giudizio sulla sua veridicità.

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there is a startling coincidence between places in Africa where his CHAT vaccine was fed, and the first appearances in the world of HIV-1 group M and group-M-related AIDS.

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The meeting noted that the disease's origins remain a mystery.
se pero partecipavate voi (LOL)

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We analyzed several early OPV pools and found no evidence for the presence of chimpanzee DNA; by contrast, monkey DNA is present.

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3 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11326104 "Molecular analyses of oral polio vaccine samples"

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We analyzed several early OPV pools and found no evidence for the presence of chimpanzee DNA; by contrast, monkey DNA is present.


il DNA di scimmia era presente, quindi indirettamente si conferma la contaminazione degli stock. Il vaccino è stato anche generato utilizzando DNA di scimmie e scimpanzé in funzione della locazione delle officina di produzione. Siamo sicuri della bontà del campionamento degli stock analizzati?

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Cancer Res. 2005 Nov 15;65(22):10273-9.
Some oral poliovirus vaccines were contaminated with infectious SV40 after 1961.

Cutrone R, Lednicky J, Dunn G, Rizzo P, Bocchetta M, Chumakov K, Minor P, Carbone M.

Thoracic Oncology Program, Cardinal Bernardin Cancer Center, Loyola University, Chicago, Illinois, USA.
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Some polio vaccines prepared from 1954 to 1961 were contaminated with infectious SV40. It has been assumed that all polio vaccines were SV40 free in the United States after 1961 and in other countries after 1962. Following a WHO requirement that was prompted by the detection of SV40 in some human tumors, we conducted a multilaboratory study to test for SV40 polio vaccines prepared after 1961. Vaccine samples from 13 countries and the WHO seed were initially tested by PCR. The possible presence of intact and/or infectious SV40 DNA in PCR-positive samples was tested by transfection and infection of permissive CV-1 cells. All results were verified by immunohistochemistry, cloning, and sequencing. All the vaccines were SV40 free, except for vaccines from a major eastern European manufacturer that contained infectious SV40. We determined that the procedure used by this manufacturer to inactivate SV40 in oral poliovirus vaccine seed stocks based on heat inactivation in the presence of MgCl2 did not completely inactivate SV40. These SV40-contaminated vaccines were produced from early 1960s to about 1978 and were used throughout the world. OUR FINDINGS UNDERSCORE THE POTENTIAL RISKS OF USING PRIMARY MONKEY CELLS FOR PREPARING POLIOVIRUS VACCINES, BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBLE CONTAMINATION WITH SV40 OR OTHER MONKEY VIRUSES,and emphasize the importance of using well-characterized cell substrates that are free from adventitious agents. Moreover, our results indicate possible geographic differences in SV40 exposure and offer a possible explanation for the different percentage of SV40-positive tumors detected in some laboratories.

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Facciamo un po' di quiz:
secondo te cosa succede se io prendo cellule di quel genere
e tento di infettarle con HIV ? Qualcuno ha qualche idea?

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Facciamo un po' di quiz:
secondo te cosa succede se io prendo cellule di quel genere
e tento di infettarle con HIV ? Qualcuno ha qualche idea?

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Dionysos: Sei forse in grado di dimostrare che HIV può replicare indefinitamente
in cellule di scimmia non contenenti alcuna traccia di DNA di scimpanzè?

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Dionysos: Facciamo un po' di quiz:
secondo te cosa succede se io prendo cellule di quel genere
e tento di infettarle con HIV ? Qualcuno ha qualche idea?

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